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Jun 26, 2009, 08:26 PM // 20:26
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Jun 26, 2009, 08:40 PM // 20:40
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Other's have saved lives, yet we care so much for this? I pity mankind. |
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Jun 26, 2009, 08:44 PM // 20:44
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If theyd show all those who save lives on TV that would be a different story....even then to mcuh people that save lives the same way means that you can share their death with the same feeling.. "Hey he was a medic in the military and he has saved lives....Hey this guy to...and this guy...and this guy" Michael.. was a revolionary... as stated before.....thast why he doesnt have doubles... Just take Kennedys death for example.. im not an american but from what i gather living here entire country mourned his death.. and yet he didnt save lives wiht his hands he just commandered the campaign against the soviets.. in any case Yeah hope you see my point....
EDIT: on the side note medics doctor policeman military personell get their thank every day from Patient Prisoner of War a hostage in 99 cents store and so on and on.. Musicians just affect broader audience and that is why they get broader mourning... once again hope that explained it |
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Jun 26, 2009, 08:48 PM // 20:48
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The Greatest
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You pity mankind because people are expressing their feelings about a legend in music dying? That's sad. If you don't care, then don't. Let others care. Them caring has nothing to do with you. |
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Jun 26, 2009, 08:51 PM // 20:51
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Thanks from a patient feels good I agree, but music is music. Music is not the lifeblood of the world, unfortunately, politics are. EDIT: "As I said, he did more than make music. He touched the hearts of millions. Any time someone has saved a life, people care. Every time a good person dies, people care. Just because they don't express it doesn't mean they don't care. You pity mankind because people are expressing their feelings about a legend in music dying? That's sad. If you don't care, then don't. Let others care. Them caring has nothing to do with you." Touching the hearts of millions? Really? Music is simply music, he may have touched your heart, but I doubt it. Music is a form of self expression, I will not deny that. Just because people don't express it doesn't mean they don't care... Well the problem with that is this, they didn't know the person exists in the first place. All people die, Elvis, MJ, Kurt Cobain, me, and you. If we don't mourn all people equally then why mourn at all? Someone new will take their place and fill the "void". I pity them not just because of this small topic, I pity mankind because of what it has become over the past 50 years. But that is a different topic for a different time. Last edited by Roy_; Jun 26, 2009 at 09:00 PM // 21:00.. |
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Jun 26, 2009, 08:57 PM // 20:57
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Well i can tell you somehtgin his break through the White media inspired many 'Normal" african americans to go into music opening the media to them and affecting the culture of American Society.. |
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Jun 26, 2009, 09:05 PM // 21:05
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Ah now we move on to a topic that is very touchy. His breakthrough was very good for the black community. I would have no problem if thats what all the noise was about. Yet all I hear are things about his music. |
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Jun 26, 2009, 09:15 PM // 21:15
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Alright His music paved the way for others....Should i stop now? Music is expression.. He expressed his feelings.. his emotions.. showing others he a yung skinny black boy that people can do much more and thast how..I wasnt even born when he started to sing up.. Hell i wasnt even in USA when i headr of him... So let me correct.. He moved millions across the WORLD.. He even got through to a Soviet satlite country......Inspiring others with his songs. You know your comment about blood well Music is food for the soul and mind... Wihtout soul if such concept exists and without mind to find the meaning to the songs the body becomes a shell....this shell can fill up wiht nasty things.. crime corruption..in other words the Government Now i suggest you listen to the song "Beat it" and watch the clip adn try find the meaning in the song..I knwo what he meant.. he affected society wiht that song as far as i saw... EDIT: Why do i need to mourn a grandma who died 5000 miles away without knowing her existance? iI feel bad when i am being told via news or a friends father just passed away and he needs some conforting time to ssettle down and relax abit.. i care then .. When i hear about a soldier die.. sadly i dont unless we related in any way.. It was his job . Same for doctors...He died.. thank you for your acomplishments have fun wereever you are... Last edited by Ghost Omel; Jun 26, 2009 at 09:21 PM // 21:21.. |
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Jun 26, 2009, 09:15 PM // 21:15
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You're right, they didn't know the person existed. They can't express their feelings of someone dying when they did not know the person was even alive. You're right, all people die. That doesn't mean people shouldn't care. We don't mourn equally because it's impossible to mourn for thousands and thousands of people every single day. Also, you really think someone is going to take the place of Michael Jackson? Clearly you have no idea how much of an impact he's had in the past few decades. Some people cannot be replaced, this man is one of them. Also, this topic clearly makes you pity mankind more, because you said it about this. If you pity people for caring about someone's death, then I pity you. |
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Jun 26, 2009, 09:29 PM // 21:29
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Im not denying he had a profound effect on many millions of people... but why pool so many resources into finding out what killed him... i mean millions of people die each day without this kind of publicity.... some of the most gruesome murders havnt called for this much attention... i mean seriously?!!!!!
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Jun 26, 2009, 09:33 PM // 21:33
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Gruesome murders get attention to show how f'd up some people are, and to try and catch the people who committed it. They don't get as much attention because the people who were murdered most likely had an impact on a little amount of people. It's horrible that they died, and people will care, but it won't get attention because of that. |
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Jun 26, 2009, 09:37 PM // 21:37
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Music paved the way for others...ok? and? All music is just music. I did listen to the song (beat it), after you told me too, what I got out of the video was an anti-raciest thing, I agree that racism is bad. Music may be for the soul, you said... "Wihtout soul if such concept exists and without mind to find the meaning to the songs the body becomes a shell....this shell can fill up wiht nasty things.. crime corruption..in other words the Government" Look at the government today. I will not hijack this into a political thing, just look. ARKY: "Yes, really. He didn't touch my heart, I didn't listen to him much. You clearly could care less, so he obviously didn't touch your heart. But he has touched the hearts of many, and I'm willing to bet millions. You're right, they didn't know the person existed. They can't express their feelings of someone dying when they did not know the person was even alive. You're right, all people die. That doesn't mean people shouldn't care. We don't mourn equally because it's impossible to mourn for thousands and thousands of people every single day. Also, you really think someone is going to take the place of Michael Jackson? Clearly you have no idea how much of an impact he's had in the past few decades. Some people cannot be replaced, this man is one of them. Also, this topic clearly makes you pity mankind more, because you said it about this. If you pity people for caring about someone's death, then I pity you." /ARKY I do, and don't, care less. Ghost made an EXCELLENT point. The racism one, if you are going to remember someone remember them for something useful. How can't you feel sorry for the dead you don't know about? Just because you don't know about them doesn't mean that they don't exist...unless your me, because to me none of you exist in the first place! (See Tree falling in a forest) It is not impossible to mourn the many people who die every day, you can mourn one, why can't you say to yourself "I feel sorry for all those who die today". If by "the last few decades" you mean the 70's 80's and maybe the 90's yes he had an impact, but music evolves. A long time ago we had classical, the people who lived then would probably see this as noise. Then music moved on. It always has, it always will. Music is replaced. It dies out, slowly yes, but surely. I pity people because of WHY they mourn. EDIT: I agree with below post that it was probably not a conspiracy, just throwing that out there. Last edited by Roy_; Jun 26, 2009 at 09:42 PM // 21:42.. |
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Jun 26, 2009, 09:37 PM // 21:37
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Jun 26, 2009, 09:47 PM // 21:47
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There is a saying "You hear ut you do not Listen"
Well you read but you dont understand.. or dont whant to ... To you music is noise.. hey to me to.. i just know when music has an impact and when it is sung from the heart and has a meaning to it.. Today.. MUSIC IS CRAP look at "Rap vs Rock" (thread in which i stated my opinion) Regardless... MUsic and in particular is a speach in a FLUID RHYMING synergy.. You listened to MArtin Luther king speak, To Kennedy, To Obama, TO Bush, to Ghandi.. they spoke.. he sung.... If an Entire country is mourning if my friends back in europe is shocked he had in impack that you fail to see.. Even my parants that are mentaly still in Soviet time showed some symphasy to the Legend... Just because he doesnt have nedle in his hand and a white coat or Digital Camo of a Military ranger or a firemans uniform doesnt make him Less effective in saving people mentaly... As far as i know i understand your point frankly you sound like a mid 40s man/woman who either been through war or some horrible intsnace and looks at world through black and white colours and digital statistic. I apologize for anythign i say that is offensive |
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Jun 26, 2009, 10:02 PM // 22:02
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Music is great, and another form of art. EDIT: Music today is not crap, you see emotion in MJ I see emotion in Korn, Brian "Head" Welch, ISMFOF, BrokenCyde and many others. Last edited by Roy_; Jun 26, 2009 at 10:04 PM // 22:04.. |
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Jun 26, 2009, 10:07 PM // 22:07
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And yes, music is self-expression. Amateurs express a personal self. Performers like Michael Jackson take on the 'self' of millions in some of their songs. A million is nothing, it's a single city. Anyone who does not understand how small a million is in the modern world has probably cut himself off from understanding such concepts. For example, here are four songs that can apply to events that easily affect millions (other types of songs not included in this example, but MJ covered almost every spectrum). They don't care about us (Generations with no political influence) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCqQ2JcQWGs Beat It (turning personal fueds into bigger fights) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqxo1...eature=related Heal the World (generic world complaints) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W61Q-...eature=channel Black or White (race issues) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI9OYMRwN1Q I'm sure that it is Michael Jackson's personal life that bothers people the most. He publicly admitted to having better relations with children and trusting children more than he did adults. And while he did sleep with children, I would probably have to have a deeper understanding of the self-grabbing he did in performance to understand whether I would consider his actions to be sexualized. MJ definitely appeared to be oblivious to how his behavior was being interpreted because he was getting mixed signals: like his music, dislike the way he acts. Unfortunately, in his late life, he turned into a media influenced freak to satisfy people's jealous and angry desires even further. So in relation to the whole child molestation issue, I have reduced trust in both the media and the money-seeking sources who issued the accusations, because they played a major part in shifting the masses towards wanting him to be that way. If anyone truly wants to criticize someone for their behavior, they need to have played some kind of role in understanding it first, and then trying to correct it. People were more interested in collecting from him than letting him 'heal' to a state where he could produce naturally. |
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Jun 27, 2009, 12:14 AM // 00:14
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he not only made music, he was a humanitarian. he made huge donations to charities. he even went to poor areas/countries.
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Jun 27, 2009, 01:52 AM // 01:52
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Jun 27, 2009, 02:17 AM // 02:17
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I was not talking about that. Sure, at the end of everyday you can say you feel sorry for everyone who died today. I was leaning towards you can't discuss the death of every other person with thousands/millions like this. Sure, music moves on, but that doesn't mean that the music before is going to be forgotten, or is any less good. No matter how much music evolves, people are going to know Michael Jackson, along with many others. People generally mourn the death of famous people when the famous person affected their lives. Whether it be through acting, singing, dancing, or doing charity work. Michael Jackson affected the lives of millions. As you said, he did a lot more than make music, like the racism issue. That affected a lot of people. You don't see a whole lot of people talking about the death of someone who died in a car accident, was a victim to crime, or saved peoples lives a lot simply because these people didn't affect the lives as much as someone like Michael Jackson. Yeah, you can feel sorry, but that's about it. There's not going to be millions of people talking about it. So, you pity people for mourning someone who affected their lives. Nice to know. |
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Jun 27, 2009, 02:26 AM // 02:26
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I think someone should set up a memorial for him in game with everyone bringing female necromancers and doing a massive sync of the thriller dance.
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